14 May 2024 13:48:56
Are the Ducks at the point they are looking to get better now? I think they might be. They have tons of young talent both upfront and on D. They have tons of cap space with cost controlled talent for years to come. Would they be willing to move a high pick for a guy like Marner?
Ana
Marner $10.9M(extension agreed upon)
Leafs
Colangelo $.925M
2024 1st(3rd overall)
Anaheim gets a top line RW with an extension agreed upon. 7X$12M. They give up a possible high end future player in the 3rd overall pick and a mid 6 prospect to get better now as having all the young stars continue to lose often is not good for them.
Leafs get a mid 6 prospect in Colangelo and then draft Lindstrom with the 3rd pick and Elick with their own pick in the draft. Clear $10M in cap to go shopping in free agency. Ironically, Lindstrom and Elick fought each other this past season.
Leafs then make another move
LA
Jarnkrok $2.1M
Tor
Kaliyev RFA
Roy (rights)
LA picks up a 15-20 goal scorer on a good contract that can play up and down their lineup.
Leafs pick up a prospect that needs a change of scenery and a bit more cap space as well to try and sign Roy and others.
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14 May 2024 08:56:39
Leafs trade Marner
Islanders Dobson islanders 1st round pick 2024
If I'm trading Marner teams are going to pay as he will be best player in trade
I think Cowan is ready to take Mitch Marner spot on roster. This would give Leafs over 30 million in cap space
No way are Jarnknok and Kampf coming back that saves an additional $4.5 million
Leafs could even use Hildeby as the backup for Woll. Don't give Woll the injury prone label either he has just been unlucky. Robertson was given the injury prone label and last year he had no injuries I expect same from Woll this year
Leafs resign Bertuzzi and Domi that's a great first line with Matthews
Domi Matthews Bertuzzi
Knies Tavares Nylander
Robertson --- Cowan
McMann Holmberg Reaves
Reilly Dobson
McCabe Liljegren
Binot Neimella
There are just not many roster spots available but Leafs need a third line Center and it could be Stamkos. If Tampa doesn't resign him Leafs should go all out for him.
Cowan
2023 playoffs. 20 games 21 points
2024 playoffs 17 games 30 points
Marner at same age had 44 points in his last year with knights in playoffs but he had Thackuk on his team.
Cowan isn't far off Marner if Leafs can get 60 points out of Cowan in his rookie year it would be good enough
This team needs a strong number two defencemen and Dobson would be excellent fit and if they can find a 3 rd line center that gives them a point a game this may be the best version of a Leaf team since Matthews arrived
14 May 2024 09:42:39
I might be the only one to say this but if domi is brought back he has to play centre that’s where he was his most effective yes he’s not great defensively but he is good in the faceoff plus I think it’s more beneficial to either push Tavares to the wing or the third line.
14 May 2024 13:31:07
It’s funny that you think the Isles would add the 1st. The Leafs would be adding the first and probably a high end prospect. But NYI aren’t trading their stud D.
14 May 2024 13:32:14
I actually agree with you goat. He looked okay on AM's wing. But looked way better in the playoffs as a centreman.
14 May 2024 14:04:41
Maybe Domi is third line center but then your taking him away from Matthews
Let's see how things look if you keep Marner
Knies Matthews Bertuzzi
Mcmann Tavaras nylamder
Robertson Domi Marner
Reaves Holmberg Cowan
But no way Cowan plays 4 th line.
14 May 2024 14:15:03
It's funny. I remember a lot of people telling me it was a ridiculous idea when I said much earlier in the year that the Leafs should re-sign Domi and put him as the 2nd line centre, when he was playing 3C at the time. I wasn't thrilled when the Leafs originally signed Domi, but he changed my mind pretty quickly. Seems he's changed a lot of minds.
14 May 2024 02:52:58
To Toronto: Mason McTavish, John Gibson, Tristan Luneau
To Anaheim: Mitch Marner and either Robertson or Liljegren (Ducks preference)
McTavish is getting lost in the shuffle of Ducks center prospects which includes Zegras (no longer a prospect), Leo Carlsson, Cutter Gauthier and Mason McTavish
Anaheim might consider a trade for an elite right winger.
McTavish could center Leafs 3rd line this season then take over from Tavares as 2nd line center when his contract expires.
John Gibson, though no longer an elite NHL goaltender is still and upgrade over Samsonov, Jones and possibly Woll considering how often Woll is unavailable due to injury.
14 May 2024 11:09:12
I think MacTavish is the least likely to be traded by the ducks. Word is he's likely to be their next captian.
14 May 2024 11:45:04
Word? Is that your word? Sources hrenklin?
14 May 2024 13:35:20
I think that's a lot off the roster for Marner. I don't think it makes the Ducks better now. I would think they are at the point they have stockpiled the talent and now is time to start getting better.
13 May 2024 22:58:30
Read this on a Minnesota Wild fansite, thought it was funny.
Leafs trade Marner extension included (they suggested 7 years @ 12.75 mill)(I thought Minny was cap strapped)
Wild trade
Matt Boldy (23 year old LW powerforward, who scored 31 & 29 goals the last 2 years) signed 6yrs more @ 7 mill
Filip Gustafson ( who didn't have the best year but .899 and 3.02 gaa but the year before. 931 & 2.01 gaa
And a .921 in the playoffs)
Riley Heidt (19 yrs old 5`10" center just put up 117 points in 66 gms in the WHL)
Just saying if other teams GM'S are like some in their fan bases the Leafs could make out like bandits
Thoughts?
14 May 2024 14:17:22
Leafs should take the deal imo.
13 May 2024 20:40:08
LA
Marner $10.9M
Tor
Kempe $5.5M
Kaliyev RFA
Roy - his rights
13 May 2024 21:50:14
Only problem with this trade is I’d think they would want marner for setting up kempe.
13 May 2024 23:38:58
Goat. Interesting. I saw it as Marner being an upgrade on Kempe and LA has hardly any right handed forwards, so this also gives the edge in value to the Leafs.
14 May 2024 02:29:25
Great deal for the Leafs.
For LA?
Not so much.
I agree with Goat2.0 that LA would want Marner and Kempe on the same line.
14 May 2024 02:36:44
They will be making some bug moves in LA I'm sure. They're kind of on the Leafs path right now, just in a different conference. Good prop.
14 May 2024 09:46:11
@rfl I guess you got to look at where their scoring comes from I think LA is a good target I just don’t see them moving kempe tbh and I could be wrong idk.
14 May 2024 13:05:39
Maybe I'm missing something here then with Kempe and scoring. This is what I see.
Marner and Kempe are the same age and entered the League at the same time.
Marner -576GP 194G 445A 639pts
Kempe -549Gp 159G 169A 328Pts
Marner has more goals, almost 3X the assists and almost twice the total points of Kempe and LA will miss Kempe's scoring too much to make the deal for Marner? Add to that they need some right handed forwards and Marner gives them a top line one.
Byfield has been playing LW mostly. Wouldn't Kopitar with Byfield and Marner be appealing?
I'm sure they would like to have both Marner and Kempe, but you have to give to get. They are not trading Byfield or Clarke likely for Marner. Leafs probably don't want Fiala as much. Kings would also need to move some cap to fit Marner. If it isn't Kempe, then what/ who is the deal based on that makes sense for both teams?
13 May 2024 20:36:49
To LAK: F - M. Marner + F - D. Kampf
To TOR: F - A. Kempe + 2024 1st + D - B. Clarke
Cap In $5.5M
Cap Out $13.3M
Cap savings of $7.8M
then
To CAL: D - T. Liljegren + F - N. Robertson + 2024 1st (TOR)
To TOR: D - M. Weegar
Cap In $6.25M
Cap out $2.2M
Cap usage of $4M
Re-sign Bertuzzi, Domi, Homburg and Dewar
Sign D - B. Pesce to a 5 year $35M deal
New line up
Knies Matthews Domi
Bertuzzi Tavares Nylander
Kempe Minten Jarnkrok
McMann Homburg Dewar
Rielly Weegar
McCabe Pesce
Benoit Clarke
Timmins
13 May 2024 21:29:38
I guess we had a similar idea at the same time T-buds. I hope you are right on the return compared to me.
14 May 2024 02:34:19
Somehow I doubt LA would want to give up one of their top goal scorer (top point producer) and top defensive prospect plus their 1st round pick for Marner and Kampf.
This trade highly overvalues Marner.
14 May 2024 12:33:05
According to the many analysts and obviously Marners agent, his value is top 15 player in the league and an elite RW player.
Those guys don't come cheap.
A late 1st, plus prospect and current player is a reasonable package.
14 May 2024 13:07:53
Kempe was actually 3rd in goal scoring last season and 2nd in points for the Kings last season. That said, I doubt the Kings are willing to add a 1st and top pairing potential prospect to get Marner. I'd be thrilled if they would and Leafs should jump all over that.
13 May 2024 16:22:23
Anaheim Trades
Vatrano
LCarlsson
Terry
2nd Round Pick 2024 (Boston's Pick)
Toronto Trades
Marner*
Jarnkrok
Liljegren
7th Round Pick 2024
*Marner would have to waive his NTC, and Anaheim would want a sign and trade in this proposal.
This would be a huge trade near or on Draft weekend that would help both teams imo.
Thoughts ?
13 May 2024 17:09:38
How does this address our defense issues.
14 May 2024 02:38:27
I simply can’t see Ducks giving up one of their top center prospects as well as their top two goal scorers for a right winger who is all about assists and disappears in the playoffs.
13 May 2024 03:23:56
Tor: Matthews, Marner, Reilly
Nyi: horvat, wahlstrom, pelech, Dobson, sorokin, 2027 1st
Resign edmundson domi and bertuzzi.
You guys said Matthews has to go back. It's a swing for the fences to balance the lineup.
Bertuzzi horvat Domi
Knies Tavares nylander
Robertson holmberg mcmann
Wahlstrom Kampf jarnkrok
Pelech Dobson
McCabe Benoit
Edmundson lily
Sorokin woll
Less potent offense but more well rounded team.
12 May 2024 23:48:54
Toronto signs Domi 4 years @ 4 million per season.
Toronto signs Edmundson 3 years @ 2 million per season
Toronto signs Pesce D 5 years @ 7 million per season
Toronto signs Montour D 5 years @ 7 million per season
Marner waived his no/no and here's the trade.
Tor gets
Crouse LW
Hayton LW/C
Durzi D
Dermot D
Utah gets
Marner RW
Reeves Lw/RW
Liljigren D
Toronto's forward lines
Crouse/Mathews/Knies
Cowen/Tavares/Nylander
Hayton/Domi/Jarnkrok
Mitten/Kampf/Robertson
Extras: Dewar, Holmberg, McMann & Gregor
Toronto's defensive lines
Riley/Pesce
Macabe/Montiur
Edmundson/Druzi
Extras: Giordano, Dermot & Niemela
Torontos goalies
Woll SG
Jones BG
13 May 2024 01:55:59
Goaltending is weak.
13 May 2024 02:27:28
Forcing Knies, only a 2nd year player, to play his off wing on Leafs #1 line seems like a really bad idea.
If Leafs are trading Marner, Domi proved himself to be a good replacement on Matthews right side. Crouse - Matthews - Domi
Cowan is still only 18 years old.
We will see if he can make the team out of training camp.
Hayton can man the 3rd line center slot: McMann - Hayton - Jarnkrok
I would like to see Robertson and Kampf traded to San Jose for Ferraro
4th line: Holmberg - Minten - anyone but Reaves
Edmundson - gone
Giordano - gone
Dermot - no thanks
Reilly - Pesce or Matt Roy or Sean Walker
McCabe - Montour. Would be great but I think Florida wants to resign him
Ferraro - Durzi
Benoit - Timmins
Leafs still need a goaltender as Woll seems incapable of staying healthy for any length of time.4.
13 May 2024 02:31:02
@CKPS Goaltenders aren't available of the "elite" level. I'm not sure what people think Tre can get. At least 15 teams are looking for a goalie, and 10 for a 1RHD. They just aren't available easily.
13 May 2024 09:23:47
No one is saying it’s “easy” to get an elite goalie. I’m saying that your goalie tandem is weak, and it is. Woll is still an unknown who’s injured a lot. Jones is barely a #3 at the NHL level.
Counting on Cowan to even make the team could be a mistake as well.
13 May 2024 09:29:57
We all want to believe that marner, and maybe Tavares will waive and be moved out . Neither is gonna happen. One more year of the same stuff. Shanahan will be fired (if not sooner) . Settle in folks, cuz nothing significant is happening for next season.
12 May 2024 21:28:37
Maple Leafs - Kings Blockbuster Trade Proposal
Maple Leafs trade
Mitch Marner
Nick Robertson
Kings trade
Quinton Byfield
Brandt Clarke
21st overall pick in 2024 draft
13 May 2024 01:07:15
Can the Kings afford this? They may want to send PLD the other way, but I'm not interested in that.
13 May 2024 02:30:30
Ha ha ha!
Good one!
Byfield is a center and the future replacement for Anze Kopitar on the King’s 1st line. y
Kings would never trade him for a right winger who disappears in the playoffs.
Robertson for Brandt Clarke does not even come close.
12 May 2024 20:01:39
Anaheim Trades
LCarlsson
Terry
Toronto Trades
Marner*
*Not only would Marner have to waive his NTC but in this situation the only way The Ducks imo would agree would be a sign and trade proposal.
If you know hockey and The NHL you understand why both clubs would make a proposal like this.
Thoughts ?
13 May 2024 02:34:16
Leo Carlsson, Cutter Gauthier and probably Mason McTavish are untouchables.
They will be the Ducks top 3 centers for the next decade.
I doubt very much if the Ducks would even consider trading any one of them for a right wing who disappears in the playoffs.
Zegras is the only guy I could see the Ducks considering giving Leafs for Marner.
And I doubt Leafs want a player with Zegras’s attitude issues.