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08 Jul 2026 18:35:57
Tor: OEL, Joshua, V. Johansson, T. Hopkins, 2027 1st (col).
Club: Provorov, Max McCue.
With the better partner for Raddysh being McCabe, we might need a new partner for Tanev. Add in the roster situations out in Columbus, we might have a chance to land prov.
Very well defensively minded. Fair outlet pass, and 9g 22a for Columbus has to say something about what he would do on a better team.
Also felt like looking at a target that hasn't been repeated 300 times.
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08 Jul 2026 18:52:15
To give up that package to bring in Provorov at $8.5, I would rather hang on to OEL and Joshua and our 2 good prospects and the draft pick. We could keep Reilly at $7.5 and get the same production, and if Reilly was partnered with Raddysh, some old fashioned Reilly numbers.
This proposed trade is crazy to give up that package. In my opinion. Others may think you a genius.
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08 Jul 2026 19:27:55
I’m w Suffering on this one but for different reasons.
Committing $8.5m for the next 5x years especially if we don’t resign Matthews is a lot.
My thoughts for the Leafs is using cash for short term contracts (like we’ve done), while building our prospect pool.
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08 Jul 2026 19:53:00
Hey King. I'm not proposing we hand onto Reilly. Just that if we are bringing in a Dman with worse numbers and higher salary. It doesn't make any sense to give up that package which with OEL and Hopkins alone is taking to very good players from this organization.
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08 Jul 2026 20:07:56
Oh! I get that!
I just don’t think the Leafs wanna commit to Provorov for the next 5x years at $8.5m.
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08 Jul 2026 20:29:27
Yeah, I mean that contract is not bad in the future for D-men with his 30 points a year if he was solid in his own end. It is weird he gets pushed around like a little kid in front of the net yet he is not tiny. 6-1 and 225 but he is not physically strong.
Personally, I am looking forward to how Danford looks in camp. My buddy's kid skated with him a few days before the Leafs Development Camp. He is in another team's system and said that Danford is way stronger than last summer and skating is super strong as well.
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08 Jul 2026 21:07:45
When it comes to Danford, I’d like to see him play for the Marlies next season. Give him big minutes, big responsibilities and see how he handles it. Developing a D-man is hard, let’s get this one right.
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08 Jul 2026 21:14:02
Why is everyone thinking Provorov is supposed to be offensive? He's a lefty defensive dman that was behind Werenski on a weak Columbus team. He might want out, and has 5 years left, with the last 2 being M-ntc clauses. People forgetting if we lose Matthews, we still need to get to the cap floor.
He's 5 years younger than OEL, and has a style similar to Mattias Ekholm. His contract fits the timeline for right now. And we still get to move Rielly for a draft pick.
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08 Jul 2026 21:25:21
Whoa!!!!!!! Back up the wagon and the mules for a minute Clem. Even if we lost Matthews right this minute and got nothing for him. Considering we are $2.750,000 over the cap we would certainly be in no danger of hitting the cap floor. As my Dad used to say "Are you joking in the Trophy room boy?"
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08 Jul 2026 21:29:46
I get that too!
My point, I'm not sure the Leafs have a plan beyond the next 2x seasons and I’m thinking they wanna create options for the future. I just don’t see them committing $8.5m for next 5x years until they figure it out.
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08 Jul 2026 21:39:15
Perhaps part of the play King is to try to figure a way to trade with Boston or Philly (Yes it would take some very creative work on behalf of Chayka with what we have to work with) to get our original 1st round pick for 2028 back. Once we have that then next season we are in position to offer sheet next summer.
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08 Jul 2026 21:42:55
Keep in mind Tanev is a mouse fart to the head away from retirement.
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08 Jul 2026 22:16:28
You mean from 4 years of LTIR, not retirement. But if he does come back healthy, that's a good thing. If he goes down with injury or aches and pains, with us so tight on the cap, it would give us an opportunity to see which of Danford, Chadwick, Villeneuve can step up to grab an opportunity.
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08 Jul 2026 22:38:34
Mouse fart 🤣😂🤣
I’m hoping he bounces back 100% healthy. If he does, his $4.5m X 4yrs is looking good. Remember, 10x years ago everyone thought Crosby was one mouse fart away (🤣😂🤣).
Head injuries 🤕 change person to person. I’m more worried about the core muscle surgery. That takes months to heal and lots can go wrong.
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08 Jul 2026 23:38:46
Provorov and Raddysh would work together like Ekholm and Bouchard. Provorov can getv40 points while McCabe continues his dominance with Tanev.
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08 Jul 2026 23:57:22
Hold on. In your initial post you had McCabe pairing with Tanev. Now you have switched it up.
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08 Jul 2026 17:41:01
The more I look at it and the more I can see a Pitt and Tor trade.
To Tor
Karlsson $10m
To Pitt
Reilly $7.5
Joshua $3.25
No retention on either side. I know u still have your overage but that can easily be solved. U r gaining $750k which brings it down to $2m. U send Mcewen down, and in my eyes Lorentz, there’s $2m plus Domi will be LTIR $3.75m that u can actually use.
You’ve gotten rid of the 2 guys u don't want and u got Karlsson for only one year at that cap hit. With Alfredsson and Sundin now in the office and behind the bench I could see this happening. Only question is would Rielly wave to go play with Crosby Letang and Malkin?
McCabe Raddysh
OEL Karlsson
Andrae Tanev
Stetcher
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08 Jul 2026 17:10:44
The only question should be, would Karlsson waive his no trade, not whether Reilly would. Pittsburgh doesn't have anyone even close to briging what Karlsson does, and they don't want to lose him and would want to keep him after this year. The only thing is what they do before the season and during on whether by trade deadline he wants to stay.
If anything, he would be the one requesting a trade at some point to try and get his cup. Are we that cup contending team? Or.... does his last team San Jose come knocking at the Deadline or before?
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08 Jul 2026 18:11:29
He would wave to be with his buddy now. Alffie behind the Leafs bench and Sundin in the front office. The Swedes stick together.
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08 Jul 2026 18:37:34
As a Leaf fan, I’d take that trade all day!!!
Love the money it’ll save the Leafs after this season especially w the cap go’n up ($8m-$9m) next year. 💰 💰💰💰💰
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08 Jul 2026 19:04:26
Not saying I don't like the return. I had Karlsson packaged way before the trade deadline when it looked like both teams needed a change. I just don't see him waiving for this configuration. Whether he and Alfie and Mats are buddies or not.
He wants to win a cup and if he wants out he will want a very strong team. I think if they let him go Pittsburgh will want a younger D Prospect rather Reilly. I think they are still a contender for Reilly now but not at giving up Karlsson in return.
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08 Jul 2026 20:38:05
Pittsburgh also has extra money to spear. If they retain money in a Karlsson trade they’ll have lots of teams calling.
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08 Jul 2026 22:12:20
Like it, champ.
Although before I thought you had said we were set on the right side?
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08 Jul 2026 14:01:15
Lunatic trade idea.
Toronto Maple Leafs acquire
Nino Niederreiter.
Winnipeg Jets acquire
Morgan Rielly
2027/ 2028 2nd-round pick-
Toronto lines is,
McKenna - Auston - Nylander.
Knies - Tavarese - Roslovic / Niederreiter.
Paul - Sissons - Niederreiter / Roslo.
Joshua / Lorenz - Blueger - Duhaime.
Extra Cowan. Domi out maby long time.
Leafs safe some money and that's good.
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08 Jul 2026 15:37:17
You are going to sit Cowan in the press box? Wow!!!!
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08 Jul 2026 16:05:32
Reilly won’t go there. Sitting Cowan is absurd.
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08 Jul 2026 16:26:53
Thisisit you still posting your ludicrous proposals I see 🤣🤣🤣🤣.
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08 Jul 2026 21:52:54
@Thisisit
Honestly, I don’t know where to start. Sorry buddy, hard no!!!!
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08 Jul 2026 22:13:07
Well
That would be a hard No!!!!!!
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08 Jul 2026 23:05:24
@Thisisit...... Do you remember sending this to me some time ago on a thread?
"Sometimes I ask out of curiosity which players Toronto is actively scouting. Sometimes I get information, and sometimes I just go with my own gut feeling. I probably have around 10 notebooks worth of “scouting-style” notes on players from about 20 years.
I watch games a bit differently than fans who are only interested in winning, I pay attention to player movement and how individuals perform, and then I compare that to Toronto and whether they might need a player like that."
I paraphrase on my response to that but I believe it was along the lines "I am one of those fans that is interested in my team winning and most others on here are as well."
For you being a wanna be scout like you say your friend is... You obviously don't think Cowan performs well. You know though what he does do? He Friggen wins... A Memorial Cup last year, A Calder Cup this year. I would rather see a winner like him on the ice than in the press box dude.
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08 Jul 2026 02:19:30
Would you?
If Carlsson goes to Philly this could intrigue Willy.
To Philly: Nylander, Stetcher
To Tor: Tippett, Ristolainen, 1st in 2028 (they have 2), 2nd rd pick 2027
McKenna Matthews Tippett
Knies JT Cowan
Sissons Paul Roslovic
Joshua Blueger Duhaime
Lorentz MacEwen
OEL Raddysh
McCabe Tanev
Risto Reilly
Andrae/ Myers.
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08 Jul 2026 02:41:14
Why are we adding Stecher? Willy gets that himself easily. I feel our first we traded better be the one coming back. Then maybe, but I think Tippet our first and maybe Oliver Bonk. If we added Nylander plus something like cowboy think Philly would add Martone? Haha Let’s do a deal Danny.
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08 Jul 2026 10:34:32
Adding Stetcher because we would have 9 D if we didn’t and they would have 5, so I’m sure they would want one coming back. Don’t think Philly is going to move Martone. I personally like deal. Yes, we would take a small hit in goal production. But McKenna, Cowan, along with a better bottom 6 and Raddysh will help fill that void.
We will be an overall better team. Speed and defensively responsible all over the ice. Along with being more physical. Not too mention a solid 1st & 2nd rd pick for the future.
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08 Jul 2026 11:38:29
Add Rielly. Philly is apparently interested in him. I will puke if he’s still on this team come the fall!
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08 Jul 2026 13:30:41
Makes no sense next.
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08 Jul 2026 16:54:09
Don’t we owe them a first already so we’d be giving it back?
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08 Jul 2026 20:35:08
@Leafs GM They already took our 1st. But I’d be after the better of the two. Which could potentially be a good pick.
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08 Jul 2026 02:48:08
Matthews
Morgan
Danford
To Utah for:
Cooley
Sergachev
Iggy Jnr
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08 Jul 2026 01:51:42
Just stop.
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08 Jul 2026 02:02:06
Ckps1976 - Well entertain me.
What are you adding or taking away?
And... go.
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08 Jul 2026 13:31:40
Nothing cause it’s a dumb trade proposal next.
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08 Jul 2026 14:04:38
@ Thatguy.... If you look at who is being exchanged for who in the trade and break it down I think you will see the flaws in it. Maybe write it down in that manner then look hard at it for a while and you will see.
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08 Jul 2026 15:16:57
This might actually be the worst proposal I’ve ever seen. My good God... dude. lol I don’t even know where to start. This is awful.
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08 Jul 2026 21:47:19
I see we get a younger cheaper center locked in for 8 more years. (Let's not forget Matthews may not resign and just walk).
I also see us dumping Morgan's contract and getting a #1 LD that is only 28.
I also see us getting Iginlia who is young and promising.
I also see that nobody gave a counter offer of what to add or take away.
These must be the same people who told me years ago when I mentioned a trade for Matthews to land MacKinnon straight up and they said I was nuts back then only because they wanted to keep Matthews lol.
I felt pretty good with that offer as I still do with this one.
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08 Jul 2026 01:21:07
Overheard an interesting conversation with a couple of guys tonight. The more I thought about it, the more it intrigued me. Everyone talks about someone pushing the limit on Chicago on a crazy offer sheet on Bedard. Chicago has the money to match of course but would not like it. The thing is he would have to accept it for it to have any credence and it sounds like he does like it in Chicago. Comes down to his health and as we said the term and the value. The other one talked about is an offer sheet to Fantilli by Philly if they don't get Carlsson or Pittsburgh offering.
The one guy said Chicago should throw a wrench into everyone's plans and offer sheet Fantilli at $15m for 3 years.
Just enough that Columbus can't match after Sillinger and Greaves are done arbitration. Then to not screw up their cap and have to trade a major player Chicago signs Bedard for $15m for 3 as well. It would not be the $18 of Carlssons but it would also send a message to both players Chicago is serious about building a cup team. They could be the new Toews and Kane the guy said. I was very intrigued. Davidson seems to me he is the kind of guy that could do that. They still have good prospects coming up. And still even if they gave up 4 firsts still have another 1st next year along with multiple 2nds?
Would you do this?
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08 Jul 2026 09:21:16
If we are talking hypotheticals for Chicago the answer is 1000x yes they should do something like that. They have been rebuilding for too long and they’re going to lose Bedard if they don’t make something happen soon. The first round pick mean nothing. They need to be good now.
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08 Jul 2026 14:18:31
Yeah hypothetical. But looking at things... not out of the realm really when I thought about it. We know Bedard will be matched for sure by Chicago. But Fantilli... another story and realistically, although some of the big teams like Florida, Vegas, etc. are always mentioned in these things. The only teams that truly have the cap and picks to do a offer on Fantilli in the $15 range are Pittsburgh (barely now), Philly if Anaheim matches Carlsson or Anaheim if they don't match.
Seattle, Vancouver and Detroit.
My gut feeling is Yzerman offer sheets on Fantilli then he has his Centre to replace Larkin and then he starts to shop Larkin to the highest bidder for a Scoring Winger. (Knies maybe?)
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08 Jul 2026 14:53:41
@suff idk man Larkin would fix a glaring hole for us but… still think that we trade Knies for almost any player we lose the trade when we look at it by the end of the window. He’s a very hard player to replace.
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07 Jul 2026 12:34:49
Not sure if this is even worth while, but here goes.
Risky and lots of hurdles to cross as far as NMC's & M-NTC's.
To NJ
Stolarz $3.75M/ 4yrs
Rielly $7.5M/ 4yrs
Joshua $3.25M/ 2yrs
$14.5M out
To Toronto
Allen, Jake $1.8M/ 4yrs
Kovacevic $4.0M/ 4yrs
Mercer $4.M/ 1yr RFA
$9.8M in
Risky - Leafs
Allen will be 36 soon, so we are even more reliant on Bob being good & staying healthy. Two older goalies now.
Kovacevic had major knee surgery during the 2024/ 2025 playoffs & returned to Jersey in January this year, but did play all remaining games.
Risky - Devils
Stolarz being #1 golalie with his injury history.
Anyways, Leafs clear much needed cap space and are now under the cap.
They get more of a backup goalie behind Bob at a lower AAV.
They get another shutdown Dman who plays physical & can PK (PK Dman needed)
They get a young versatile RH player who can play any RW position, fill in at C and is a great 200 foot player.
Jersey gets their #1 goalie, who is a homegrown Jersey boy.
They get another puck moving Dman, which they are looking for to balance out their lines.
3 shutdown guys in Siegenthaler, Pesce & Dillon and now 3 puck moving guys in Hughes, Hamilton & Rielly.
Joshua should fit in seamlessly on 3LW with Glass & Rodrigues.
Hurdles
Rielly agreeing to waive for NJ, he has good history with Keefe so hopefully that sways his decision.
Stolarz 10 team no trade, which I'm sure he'd waive for his home town and the chance to be the #1 goalie.
Also Allen, Kovacevic & Joshua have to waive their M-NTC is either team us on their list.
***It's just crazy how many player's have some form of NTC.
Thoughts?
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07 Jul 2026 13:21:03
Don’t like it for only saving $4.7m and making the team worse in the process. Better trades out there.
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07 Jul 2026 13:27:21
The trade does not make the Leafs worse!
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07 Jul 2026 14:52:17
Ignore my first response. What I should have said is no way Devils agree to this trade for that package. Mercer going nowhere. They would want to get rid of Hamilton for Rielly. Stolarz for Allen they would do for sure.
Their left side will be ridiculous in cap hits with Rielly and Hamilton there. Never happen. Then there is no cap relief for Leafs it would balance out taking on Hamilton and Allen for Stolarz and Rielly.
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07 Jul 2026 21:30:27
If Jersey agrees, I love the idea of getting Mercer.
Even if you have to work in Dougie Hamilton to offset cap hits I'm still good with it. Big fan of Mercer.
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08 Jul 2026 13:34:59
No benefit to the Leafs if Hamilton is involved. No thanks, cause they won’t include Mercer for Joshua and Stolarz.
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08 Jul 2026 15:51:31
Leave Hamilton out of the deal, we don't need or want him.
Just keep Rielly and change to OEL (he holds more trade value & costs less).
Stolarz, Joshua & OEL $10.5M out
For
Allen, Mercer & Kovacevic $9.8M in
Maybe Leafs need to add a B/C level prospect or a 3rd/4th draft pick at most.
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07 Jul 2026 01:14:49
Ducks
Knies
Leafs
Gauthier
Ducks get a cost certainty.
Leafs get a better goal scorer.
Now we have to sign him.
Current cap 0ver the cap by 2 million once we send the hammerhead MacEwen to the AHL.
Well, now let’s move on from Morgan; trade him for picks, no money coming back.
Leaves us 5.5 million available on the cap.
We will have to move Dakota Joshua for picks; adds 3.25.
8.75 available.
Key is max Domi LTIR 3.75.
Gives 12.5 on cap.
Sign Gauthier 5 years 8.5 million per.
Sign Logan Stanley Cup for 3.5 for 3 years.
Crap, a lot of work.
Seemed like a genius idea when I started.
lol
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07 Jul 2026 00:57:46
Well imagine a world where we could send Domi and a puck back for Dach. Heard they were interested in trading for a centre and I realistically can’t guess what or how many picks we’d have to add but it’s out there.
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07 Jul 2026 01:07:43
@Luke Fox, I love Gauthier. I think he is a good one for sure. But I’m still not moving Knies. We keep getting the same type of player. We have enough skill. Watch playoffs and see how well the perimeter players do.
Need Knies to get in there and muck it up. If Knies was on the other side of 30 and we were rebuilding, I’d be all for it. But he is 23, not even in his prime. But I’d trade Nylander for Gauthier.
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07 Jul 2026 01:29:30
With Leo Carlson just signing for $18 million a year, I doubt Cutter Gauthier is going to sign for $8, $10 million less.
It will likely take at least $10 - $12 million to get Gauthier’s signature on a long term contract.
Just curious; who are we trading Morgan Rielly and Dakota Joshua too?
If it was that easy I imagine it would be be dome by now.
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07 Jul 2026 01:52:16
So, Clarky, you didn't like when Nylander held out. If you trade him for Gauthier, you are trading for a guy that demanded to be traded before he even played in the NHL.
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07 Jul 2026 02:34:07
Use your imagination on the Rielly Joshua trades waterbuff.
I can’t do it all.
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07 Jul 2026 11:13:24
Suffering, you guys never read my post right. I said I’ve been wanting to trade Nylander since he held out. But that wasn’t the reason for the hold out. It’s because I don’t believe we can win with selfish mode players like him.
We had too much perimeter heartless skill on the team since then and he would have been the one I traded over Marner. It wasn’t just he held out for contract negotiations, it’s because I really don’t like that type of player on my favourite team.
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07 Jul 2026 11:30:47
But wasn’t Gauthier also being selfish when he refused to play for the Flyers?
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07 Jul 2026 13:47:00
It’s an enticing proposition to say the least, a lot of moving parts. Let’s just say it works out the way u say and u get the cap space u need and get the players u want in Gauthier and Stanley. The lineup would definitely be good, no doubt.
McKenna Matthews Roslovic
Tavares Gauthier Nylander
Cowan Paul Sissons
Groulx Blueger Duhaime
Lorentz
McCabe Raddysh
OEL Tanev
Stanley Stetcher/Andrae
Bob
Stolarz
Options are way better with Gauthier, that’s for sure to move guys around.
Tavares can be your 3c and Paul or Cowan can move up to 2LW. I like it but a lot of things need to happen to make the money work and Ducks to agree to it.
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07 Jul 2026 16:56:19
@LukeFox... It’s an intriguing one. Good news for you, you would a lot more cap room... you forgot to add in Knies salary disappearing to allow for signing Gauthier if more money was needed.
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07 Jul 2026 19:01:08
Suffering, he did add Knies, that’s how he got the original $5m in cap. That's Knies' cap - the overage right now. But to make it work still need Joshua Rielly and in my eyes Lorentz, that way u sign both Gauthier and Stanley and still have some cap left over. Plus u got Domi’s cap that will be LTIR for sure.
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07 Jul 2026 22:11:37
If you are talking that $5.5, I think that is after he calculated we are already $2 over and by trading Reilly that would put us at $5.5 ahead.
So what I see is right now we are $2.7m over and we sent McEwen down that leaves us $2m over Then by trading Reilly it leaves us $5.5m under.
Then trading Joshua for picks it leaves us $8.75 Under. With Domi LTIR it leaves us $12.5 under. Then..... by subtracting Knies $7.75 from our cap it then leaves us $20.25 under the cap to do Luke's Gauthier and Stanley signings. I might be wrong but will leve it open to see how my calculations work.
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07 Jul 2026 22:33:42
I think you are correct suffering 😏👏
So what do we do with all that extra 💰 ???
Maybe retain on Morgan and get a better return?
Maybe I overdid it
But the initial idea is Knies for Gauthier LOL
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07 Jul 2026 23:25:19
Or save it and see how the season goes if we needed it for trading prospects for a bigger salary coming in. Always good to accumulate a bit for a rainy day.
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08 Jul 2026 14:02:13
However u slice it, a lot of moving parts that if they could pull it off would be a definite game changer.
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06 Jul 2026 22:18:34
Crazy trade idea---
Toronto get
Nate Schmidt
Julian Lutz ( Germany's McMann)
Utah 2027 2nd round pick
Utah receives
Morgan Rielly
Why not?
Caphit is ok now.
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07 Jul 2026 00:24:03
Hard pass from Utah
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07 Jul 2026 01:08:46
I’m still so upset we lost McMann. Would have fit perfectly on this team. Could of saved us from getting Roslovic too.
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07 Jul 2026 01:30:47
Why would Utah give up 3 pieces for Morgan Rielly, a player Leafs are trying to dump?
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06 Jul 2026 21:57:19
So depending how things go this season for us, and the league in general. We could be sitting on a player who teams with this new jumping in salaries will be the most sought after player after player in the league. If he produces as well as he usually does. William Nylander, if he waives his no trade, will spark a huge trading bid war.
If you think about it. What would he be worth as a UFA next year with the cap jumping again? He is tied up for 6 more years at $11.5.
It very well could be the best contract a team could trade for. Certainty for 6 years for a player who even if he slows down will most likely average 80-85 points for the duration. If we don’t keep him these last few weeks should give pause for thought. He is worth a lot more in trade value truthfully than Carlsson, 4 first round picks. Maybe Briere did us a favour.
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06 Jul 2026 21:04:05
I would have to think Werenski again if Columbus misses the playoffs and Nylander wanted out that’d be my first call. To answer your question, would be a franchise player or a second line player and 1st round picks.
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06 Jul 2026 21:05:49
And no, he didn’t do us a favour. Whoever we acquire will cost us at least 18 million per year.
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06 Jul 2026 21:07:25
I don’t wanna be Negative Nancy but I can stand Willy Nylander (aka Silly Peelander).
😂🤣😂
That’s a whole different debate.
* Let’s circle back to this topic when the season starts.
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06 Jul 2026 21:16:50
You don’t replace him with another star. You pillage their top prospects and future draft picks. Whether you hate or love or are ambivalent. His contract will be valuable in the trade market.
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06 Jul 2026 22:10:20
Yep! If we are entering a new NHL, controllable assets (draft picks and prospects) “might” be more valuable than ever 🤷♂️
But after saying that, you can spend all this money on training facilities, development and coaching and that prospect walks to the highest bidder 🤔
The NHL and NHLPA have a big problem on there hands.
As it stands now, what’s the point of Demidov signing a bridge deal? Just wait for RFA 💰
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06 Jul 2026 22:12:57
Willy of all people I could see going to CBJ.
I'm not convinced he cares about winning like others do, so send him there if need be.
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06 Jul 2026 22:13:14
I’ve been onboard with trading Nylander since he held out to start the season for contract negotiations. Not for that reason, but I don’t think you win with guys like this and like you said, I think you can get some valuable pieces back in a trade while setting a new culture.
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06 Jul 2026 22:17:51
I’d trade him for a bag of pucks.
😂🤣😂
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06 Jul 2026 22:33:55
It is a huge problem. I think the league should increase and extend ELC to 3 million and year until you’re 25 or 5 years in the league, or get rid of offer sheets all together, because there’s no point in getting a first round, let’s say top 10 pick, if you have big money committed to other players.
If someone comes in and steals them away, or put a cap based on age, something like 18-25 8 million tops, 25-32 12 million tops and so on. Again, first round picks mean nothing if someone can offer sheet and steal them; totally devalues the process.
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06 Jul 2026 22:36:53
Clarky, I have no idea what holding out has to do with being able to win. It’s a team game; one guy holding out isn’t going to change any outcome. I’m not going to invest research time on this, but I’m sure a cup winner has had a holdout in their dressing room.
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06 Jul 2026 22:54:27
Definitely a Huge problem!!!!!
Only positive I can see is everyone sees it (GMs, players, owner and fans).
Let’s hope the NHL and NHLPA can work together and solve it.
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06 Jul 2026 23:11:55
I mentioned on a thread the other day that another issue that has ginhammered out is Nashville, Vegas, Florida, Tampa and Dallas. It has to a level playing field. For instance People have said if Philly had offered $16 to beat the requested $15 of Carlsson camp they would not be as upset.
But what if one of those other offer sheets talked about one was at close to $16 and it was from say Nashville. For Philly to match that for take home pay they need to offer $18.
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06 Jul 2026 23:56:16
I love ur thinking outside the box but in my option $10m is too much for a guy who’s only played 3x seasons.
Let’s pretend the offer sheet stuff never Happened. Is McJesus worth $18m?
I honestly don’t know, honest question.
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07 Jul 2026 00:12:06
I’m definitely second guess myself giving that kinda money to one player.
I don’t even know player dollar value anymore.
I don’t think anyone does.
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07 Jul 2026 00:42:39
Don't know if this is true or not, but shame on Verbeek if it is:
"Friedman about Carlsson Offer Sheet :... they went back to the Ducks before signing the offer sheet and asked for $15m and Verbeek said no".
Anyways, I agree with you guys that there should be some sort of cap coming out of your ELC.
The most a player can make is 20% of cap. Maybe a player's max contract coming out of their ELC should be capped at 10%/12%.
No way someone coming off their ELC should be the highest paid player in the league. That's just ridiculous.
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07 Jul 2026 01:55:39
McDavid was! And Matthews was far behind after his ELC.
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07 Jul 2026 03:35:48
McDavid is in a league of his own. He was leading the league in scoring in his 2nd and 3rd pro seasons. No comparison to Carlsson, who is only scoring at a .7 PPG.
Plus, this Carlsson OS is way above all other contracts. It's just ridiculous, IMO.
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06 Jul 2026 17:53:11
The Carlsson offer sheet has been a good discussion. I am staring it anew as it has gotten long to reach the bottom comments.
As I had posted; there is more to an offer sheet than just stealing a guy for cash. There can be hard feelings on the team that gets him. League ripple effects etc.
I don't have issue with Briere using a offer sheet and he can offer whatever he wants to. I still think it is a stupid amount to give Carlsson for 5 years of service. As well as, it is going to cost Briere on his own team in the long run.
The obvious reason, it is a ridiculous overpay even if Carlsson wanted $14-$15M (still ridiculous imo) Brier could have offered $15/$16 and still made Anaheim pay more than they wanted to. If Carlsson didn't think he was going to get it from Anaheim, he would have still likely signed a $15M offer sheet. But no, Briere had to go to $18M.
2. They are only paying Konecny $8.75M over the next 5 years. Hard to believe guys like him, Sanheim, Couturier, Tippet aren't going to have some hard feelings when they all have 4-5 years left and in most cases making $10-$12M less than a 21 year old they offer sheeted.
3. Zegras and Drysdale still need deals and I would think they just upped their ask and why wouldn't they when they saw what he offered Carlsson.
4. Michkov next year and Martone in two years need deals. Briere just set the tone for what he is willing to pay. If either/both are about point per game players at that time, how do they not ask for at least $15-18M or more. If Briere refuses and says $8M or $9M or $10M is his offer, that is a huge slap in the face and those guys will likely want out and rightfully so.
5. Going after UFA's. You know they are going to want the moon from Philly as Briere just gave Carlsson the moon.
6.If Anaheim doesn't match, the draft capital Philly have lost makes it more difficult to add good players either by drafting or by trades. He just blew 4 years of top draft stock.
7. You know other GM's hate it as Briere just set a new AAV standard and it's not the same thing as Minny giving Kaprizov $17M to keep him.
8. It affects every teams cap going forward. If Matthews camp was thinking $17-$18M to stay, he is thinking more now. McDavid in Edmonton. No way McDavid takes less than $20M to stay and that would likely be considered a hometown discount now. It's like when Dubas handed out all the big contracts, the ripple effect went through the league and guys coming off their AAV started asking for long term big bucks.
Players are just getting more and more greedy and GM's in general are just stupid enough to pay young talent that really haven't taken a team to any great level of success anything they want.
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06 Jul 2026 17:53:13
I did just did another post that is probably pretty buried now on that other thread. But it addresses how Briere and Jones built towards this while the rest of the league kind of lagged. In fairness to them, you mentioned they could have offered lower and got him. They were not the only team bidding.
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06 Jul 2026 18:20:05
Yes, I read it and responded. All good.
Dregger reported that more teams were involved with actual offer sheets presented, but no one else has confirmed it and I believe it was also reported that Philly went way beyond what they thought would be offered or Anaheim would be willing to pay. Even Freidman reported that teams backed off when they heard his ask was $15M. Why I said they could have offered less and likely still got him.
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06 Jul 2026 18:52:18
Friedman did write that he heard there was one team considering 7 years @ 17.5. Dregs and Friedman are pretty reliable. I have a pretty good hunch that team was also located in the same state as the Flyers. 😜
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06 Jul 2026 19:10:25
Lol. I didn't see that from Friedman. That doesn't sound like a Dubas thing to do at all. 🤔
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06 Jul 2026 19:24:48
I sensing sacrcasm re: a Dubas thing to do. When we know he might be mad he is the one not getting the heat for landing Carlsoon lol
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06 Jul 2026 20:51:24
Well done boys 👊
Good, honest debate 👊
Just because you disagree w me doesn’t mean I think your stupid 👊
Now, having said that, let’s keep go’n 🤣😂
I made my argument against the Flyers earlier and I stand by it. Now, lets me focus on the players.
I guess where I’m struggling the most is not that Daniel Brière made the offer sheet it’s that he abused the system. “Yes”, he played within the rules but he exposed a major flaw in the system and took advantage of it and he pissed off everyone do’n so at all levels (players, GM’s and owners).
Ok, what are the players thinking. We’ll use McJesus, MacKinnon, Matthews and Kucherov to make my point. These players have poured their hearts and soles into their respective teams and communities. They have won multiple awards, medals, cups and represent their teams multiple times at all-star games for well over a decade. These guys in my opinion should be getting top dollar not Carlsson 🤷♂️. You telling me Carlsson should be making $5m+ more than the above players? Carlsson has only been in the NHL for 3x years!!!! What has Carlsson won 🤔. What has Carlsson sacrificed 🤔. NOTHING!!!!! I believe this offer sheet was a direct insult to the great players listed above and was a blatant abuse of the system.
* I have more arguments for:
• GM’s
• Owners
• next CBA
Daniel Brière just poked the Bear, opened a can or worms and threw rocks at the beehive all at the same time. In my opinion there is nothing positive about this offer sheet (not even for his own team). This is a bad day for hockey.
If there is any saving grace, the Ducks don’t match the offer sheet and it’s a one off.
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06 Jul 2026 21:47:02
Well don’t forget McDavid and Matthews both after their 3rd year both got contracts that had them getting 15.7% and 14%? If their team's total cap. Carlsson will be 17% of Philly’s. None of us can read the future of course but Philly is gambling this move gets them a cup or 2. If they are right they are geniuses if not they look rediculous. Briere needed a centre apparently Matthews was one he wanted at one point and this was the route he took. It really should come as no surprise to anyone that a major offer sheet happened, it was talked about around the league for months it is just that it was Carlsson and not Robertson that caught everyone off guard.
What apparently drove them towards Carlsson was him actually outplaying McDavid in the playoff in that series. I asked my Nephew yesterday who had tickets in Edmonton to all the games how good was he. Hard sometimes to tell on T. V. He said is insanely good on and away from the puck.
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06 Jul 2026 22:15:22
Whoever is paying Carlsson is screwed for a while. What’s Martone gonna want when his contract comes up? Not good.
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06 Jul 2026 22:15:43
I can’t speak for RLF but I’m pretty sure he will appreciate as do I that you don’t consider us Stupid. Most of us have healthy and at times lively debates but we try not to insult. There is the odd one though that likes to insult. Can’t let them get to you.
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06 Jul 2026 22:26:10
@Suffering
I do appreciate you! You debate both side with healthy arguments. The whole idea of this site (in my opinion) is to challenge each other.
You and many others make me a better hockey fan.
Cheers 🍻
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07 Jul 2026 02:27:36
Thank you very much.
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